The short version of this post: as far as Data Visualization is a concern, the new Power View from Microsoft is the marketing disaster, the architectural mistake and the generous gift from Microsoft to Tableau, Qlikview, Spotfire and dozens of other vendors.
For the long version – keep reading.
Assume for a minute (OK, just for a second) that new Power View Data Visualization tool from Microsoft SQL Server 2012 is almost as good as Tableau Desktop 7. Now let’s compare installation, configuration and hardware involved:
Tableau:
- Hardware: almost any modern Windows PC/notebook (at least dual-core, 4GB RAM).
- Installation: a) one 65MB setup file, b) minimum or no skills
- Configuration: 5 minutes – follow instructions on screen during installation.
- Price – $2K.
Power View:
- Hardware: you need at least 2 server-level PCs (each at least quad-core, 16GB RAM recommended). I will not recommend to use 1 production server to host both SQL Server and SharePoint; if you desperate, at least use VM(s).
- Installation: a) Each Server needs Windows 2008 R2 SP1 – 3GB DVD; b) 1st Server needs SQL Server 2012 Enterprise or BI Edition – 4GB DVD; c) 2nd Server needs SharePoint 2010 Enterprise Edition – 1GB DVD; d) A lot of skills and experience
- Configurations: Hours or days plus a lot of reading, previous knowledge etc.
- Price: $20K or if only for development it is about $5K (Visual Studio with MSDN subscription) plus cost of skilled labor.
April 20, 2012 at 5:55 am
I share exactly the same opinion like you since the first moment Microsoft launched this product. And the SharePoint requirement is also a big mistake! Microsoft has huge potential in Excel and i can not understand why they don’t invest more on it. For example in Data Mining Add-In or as you told, adding something like Power View or even Pivot Viewer (also Silverlight) to Excel.
Regards,
Pedro
April 20, 2012 at 10:51 am
For a start Tableau 7 is 2k per user for the desktop product. Without this you cannot create or modify anything.
If you want to delivery via the web or publish model centrally, that’ll be a copy of Tableau server which starts at 180k for up to 8 cores and 240 concurrent users, alternatively you can pay 1k per user but, if like my company, you have 1500 registered users accessing data that’s a non-starter.
SQL Server and SharePoint are widespread, so in these cases Power View is included as is Excel Services etc., with Tableau all you get is Tableau.
I agree that Power View is behind in terms of functionality, but for ease of use, creating Report from scratch it it much easier. We supply data models to clients which can be opened using Power View to create reports, we also supply pre-built reports for users that don’t want to do anything. These data models can also be opening directly in Excel so they have choices.
Depending on who I speak to when demoing this stuff to clients you’ll get different reactions. For end users who quickly want to look at the data without the need to drill down the underlying numbers the Power view wins hands down. With analysts, they prefer the power of Tableau. These are not my opinions but the views clearly shown time and time again by clients I deal with.
April 21, 2012 at 4:35 pm
Hi Alan:
I am actually surprised that only you commented so far about licensing, but I disagree with you. Statement like a “non-starter” just showing that you have to stay with open source or cheap alternatives but you ALWAYS WILL GET WHAT YOUR PAY FOR.
1. $2K is the product for developer: Tableau Desktop.
2. You can deliver to unlimited number of users the full desktop experience (much better then web experience in any product) by delivering .TWBX files and using FREE TABLEAU READER.
3. I do not know where you get price $180K, but Tableau said it starts with $10K for 10 concurrent users and $1K for each new concurrent user.
4. I do not believe that all 1500 users (in your case) need to access data simultaneously but if they do Tableau has so called Core License (I can guess it will be around $160K, but please do not quote me here) which can serve unlimited number of users (of course hardware is the limit, but who can prevent you to have dual six-core server with 192GB or more RAM or may be even more capable hardware?). Of course if your budget cannot support 1500 users, then why we even discussing this topic?
5. I already posted on this blog some public samples of Tableau pricing, for example from here:
http://searchdatamanagement.techtarget.co.uk/news/2240112678/Irish-Life-chooses-Tableau-data-visualisation-over-QlikView-Oracle
and I quote it for you: “The cost, modeled on 300 concurrent users was $300,000 (€225,000), Egan confirmed. The deal was for 12 core server licenses, 30 developer licenses and three years’ maintenance.”
6. I also disagree with statement “SharePoint is wide-spread”. Like I said SharePoint is a Virus and using it telling me that IT department has a huge problem.
7. And no, neither Excel no Power View is easier than Tableau, Qlikview or Spotfire. Also pre-built static reports is the main reason why Tableau, Qlikview and Spotfire are so successful, so I just simple cannot accept your arguments
April 23, 2012 at 3:35 am
As Andrei says, you [can] get the pricing model of Tableau Server [from website]. Sure, you can buy a core with unlimited users but you can also buy a named-user model with as little as 10 users. And for free you can just use Tableau Reader or even distribute PDFs
April 21, 2012 at 1:27 pm
Andrei, I think your criticism of PowerView is accurate in many ways, but also somewhat unfair.
Power View cannot compete like-for-like with QlikView. If that was the plan then, as you say, it would be a complete failure. The installation and configuration are complex and demanding, there is very little analytic functionality in the tool, and it’s relationship to other Microsoft products is very confusing – just ask anyone in the Microsoft sales teams.
From that point of view you are correct. Power View is a gift to QlikView and we’re making the best of it!
However, let’s be fair to the Power View team. Thierry D’Hers (now at Tableau) who carved out much of the vision for both PowerPivot and Power View, incubated, prototyped and help to lead the teams that delivered a refreshing new start in Microsoft’s BI toolset. PowerView marks a major step forward for SQL Server (and frankly, for Microsoft in general) in usability and the visual pleasure of working with the tool. The principle of building a thin-client visualization tool to live over their new generation of the BI model is sound. The team have done a good job designing and building it.
However, shipping enterprise products is slow: development perhaps started when SilverLight was a clear choice rather than HTML5. Microsoft deliberately sells a complete enterprise platform rather than single tools: so there are dependencies on enterprise servers of SharePoint and SQL Server. The Excel team, with perhaps 500 million existing users to support and upgrade, cannot churn their entire data and visualization story between versions: so Power View can be developed more quickly outside the Excel team along with the data model.
So, in context, Microsoft do not need Power View to be a success this year, or next year, or even at all. What they need is to consolidate their platform, to roll functionality (like in-memory-data and better visualizations) into their standard tools like Excel. In 5 years, Excel will be on a very large number of desktops with great data and visualization capabilities. It needs those capabilities to retain its massive market share in the face of threats, not from BI tools, but from online spreadsheets, and its own aging, cumbersome, legacy.
Of course, by then, QlikView will still be waaay ahead of Excel in our feature set. That is only natural. We move faster, we have fewer dependencies, we can experiment, extend, enhance and deliver far more functionality. We don’t have organizational turf-wars to fight. If what we design is good for the user, it ships in QlikView. Business users and enterprises wanting an analytic edge over their competitors will still be choosing us precisely because everyone else and their dog has Excel: we will always offer an advantage.
Power View’s biggest problem is simply the confusion around which tools and platforms to use. Almost no one can give a coherent story of when to choose and use PowerPivot, Power View, Report Builder, Report Designer, Performance Point, a tabular data model, an OLAP model, Parallel Data Warehouse, the in-memory column store for SQL Server, Excel, Excel Services, Visio and so on. There is no mobile strategy worth the name except a naive hope in Windows8.
In short – Power View probably does what it is intended to do – which is admittedly very limited. The problem lies not there, but in the sheer messiness of the platform.That is the real gift to QlikView.
April 23, 2012 at 8:42 am
Hi Donald:
Thank you very much for your comment – I cannot just reply on your reply – I will have to post on my blog a new post with my answers to your comments. In my mind you are one of the leaders of BI world, for a long time you was for me the face of Microsoft BI team and now you are the Product leader of the leading Data Visualization company – so it will take some time for me to answer.
My first reaction on your comment surprised me: I wish Bill Gates back from retirement. Lately Microsoft is losing a battle after a battle: search engine “battle”, smartphone “war” etc. and now Data Visualization battle even it has all the best components and all money to compete. Don’t get me wrong – I am not unfriendly to Microsoft, I am MSDN subscriber since CD1 and majority of my projects done with Microsoft’s toolsets. It is just a mystery for me why Microsoft cannot produce a good Data Visualization tool, especially on Desktop.
So I will need some time before my reply but I think differently from you on this subject.
Andrei
April 23, 2012 at 9:34 am
Thanks Andrei, for sparking an interesting discussion. I do appreciate the fairness afforded both sides of the argument through the comments.
My three thoughts to add into the mix:
1. Fully agreed with Donald, I have spent inordinate amounts of time explaining the appropriate use cases which draw the line between the various Microsoft front end tools. I would love to see a more consistent story which allows sharing of report definitions between these environments.
2. Microsoft own Excel. Penetration onto hundreds of millions of desktops is quite frankly, a great position to be in. Again, I’m placing some hope in the Microsoft Product teams to listen closely to user feedback and to continue developing Excel into a fantastic data discovery tool.
3. Finally, I have always found that the power of any product, Microsoft / SAP / Qlikview / , is best expressed through the people who use the tools. I have seen both very good and very bad BI implementations, and the key behind the successes have been the vision of the people driving the programs and their ability to see the end result, regardless of toolset.
Donald, thanks for driving the innovation at QlikView, this disruption is what keeps our market challenging and interesting. 🙂
Andrei, looking forward to your follow up blog.
Gavin
May 13, 2012 at 4:14 am
Thanks for the interesting discussion and debate on this subject guys.
Personally I find MS BI tools have too many dependencies on owning a large chunk of the MS stack. I would love to play around with Power View, evaluate it and do a few demos on my BI blog. But can’t justify the time and effort to get it up and working (SharePoint, SQL, SSRS, .Net frameworks etc). So this seems like MS is falling at the first hurdle.
At the other end of the spectrum is a tool like Tibco Spotfire Silver with virtually a zero footprint via SaaS and is something you can have up and running in less then 1 hour. From a sales perspective being able to deliver a proof of concept solution so quickly is brilliant.
Seems like Qlikview and Spotfire are going to keep on killing MS in the SMB and Departmental BI space for the foreseeable future.
May 13, 2012 at 9:35 pm
Hi Steve and thanks for your comment – you and me both have the same problem with Power View: even evaluation of Power View requires too much time and effort. And even if you will spend enough time, the end result will be much less satisfying then with competitors you mentioned, but I will add to your list Tableau and may be a few other tools can easily beat Power View!
Andrei
May 16, 2012 at 11:28 am
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August 13, 2012 at 9:56 pm
Good post but I would not disqualify MS just yet. This is MS’s first release and from their commitment to this technology it should only go from strength to strength, particularly give the price and the fact that most small to medium enterprises are MS centric and happy to adopt anything that Redmond comes out with. Check out my comparison of some of the self-service BI tools here: http://bicortex.com/implementing-self-service-bi-with-tableau-public-microsoft-powerview-and-worldwide-telescope-with-excel-add-in/
September 19, 2012 at 2:46 pm
Have you seen Excel 2013? It now has Power View built in. Microsoft is definitely getting into the game – finally!
NO SharePoint or SQL Server or SRSS needed, just install Excel and go.
October 8, 2012 at 4:19 pm
I hope you will do an updated blog post regarding Power View in Excel 2013 and its short-term and long-term expectations. (Though sadly, it still requires Silverlight).
October 8, 2012 at 5:09 pm
I may blog about Power View in Excel 2013, unless something more interesting and important will require my time instead. While I like the combination of Excel 2013, PowerPivot and Power View on Desktop, two problems can make it less interesting for me:
– the usage of Silverlight is not acceptable anymore and
– inability to share between Power View in Excel and Power View in SharePoint (means I cannot publish my desktop Power View Visualizations on Web; Tableau, Spotfire, Qlikview will laugh at that).
If somebody can do a good guest blogging about it on my blog, I will consider it too…
March 1, 2013 at 11:26 pm
Andrei, I agree with your comment about Silverlight (although this will be addressed shortly).
I think that you have accurately poked a number of holes in PowerView 1 that was released in April of 2012. However, Microsoft addressed most of the issues you have raised six months after that with the SP1 of SQL Server 2012 as well as 2013 versions of Office and SharePoint.
PowerView 2 now runs on desktop in both Excel and PowerPoint and in combination with PowerPivot it makes Excel a capable self-service tool (I have routinely been able to reproduce in one day what took weeks to develop in QlikView and it runs faster too)
PowerView 1 may not have been a good at-bat, but the PowerView 2 is clearly a home run.
July 8, 2014 at 5:34 am
how times have changed with Power View now in Excel.
Power View is the new rising star.
More accessible, cheaper, easier.
Also, most clients we have visited in the last year complain about one thing and one thing alone. The complexity of Qlikview and Tableau
Also the lack of transformation/ETL means they use Excel now with Power Query anyway…and all the want to do with their data is all available in Power View. with the other two offerings they pay for 80% of bells and whistles never used.